Inside the Sons – Topic: Cam Payne, Bismac Byombo and Will there be a KD trade this summer?

Welcome to ‘Inside the Sons’, your weekly in-depth analysis of the current Phoenix Sun crew.

First up, The Fantastic – a round table of bright ciders giving their opinion on the latest issues and news from the Sons.

great questions of the week

Q1 – Bottom line timing. In your opinion, will the Nets finally get the best offer for Durant this summer (even if it’s less than they want) or keep KD on their roster (at least for the start of the season)?

Guar Guar: I have been following Flex from the beginning and he has proved to be right so far and I am not going against him now. I think KD really wants the Phoenix and the Nets & Sons will do a deal, probably a multi-team trade. If Nets keep KD to start the season then its value goes down everyday. I think by the start of the season both Kyrie and KD will be gone.

OldEase: I think the Nets will keep Durant for this season. I don’t see them getting anything close to a reasonable return, and because next year isn’t their choice, there’s no incentive to tank. The only way to see this change is if KD starts pulling out antics like Harden or hints that he’s willing to sit out to get what he wants.

Rock 30: I think he is still with Net Opening Day. The Nets need to win considering the Rockets’ draft capital. The best chance they have of doing this is with KD and Kyrie fielding a team. Kyrie isn’t going to make them a significant comeback. If KD is not giving them a significant return then it will be difficult for them not to exit from the bottom. So they’re going to see if they can bluff and get them on the floor. If they can’t, they may revisit all of these bad choices at the deadline.

Jim C: I think Durant will net at the start of the season.

There’s no reason to rush the Nets to land him, and at this point in time I don’t think there’s a better offer than before the season starts. The Nets are probably assuming that they may get the same or better type of package next season before the trade deadline. It’s somewhat risky because Durant has had problems staying healthy lately, but if he’s playing like Kevin Durant I don’t think he loses business value compared to now.

The Nets will also be hoping Durant changes his mind and becomes more receptive to staying. Maybe they even trade Irving for someone Durant likes to play with.

As for the Sun in particular, I think they have now exhausted all avenues in trying to make a deal, but the Nets don’t want what they have to offer. Maybe the trick could be to get a desirable package for Team Brooklyn before the trade deadline or involve another team.

Then again I thought Durant was going to be traded earlier in July… so Smart Money says I’m probably wrong again.

bar: I don’t really see Brooklyn doing any more trading in KDs for draft picks and table scraps this summer, but I also think they want to make a trade before the season actually starts. If Durant winds up in Phoenix (or anywhere else for that matter) before the start of the regular season, it is being done through a multi-team trade, in which multiple players will be able to switch teams rather than just a two-team trade. change. If it doesn’t, they can try again as the season goes on… which I think is the most likely scenario.

Q2 – Cam Payne had a bad season last year, especially with his shooting (FG – 40.9%, 3-PT – 33.6%), well below his last season’s average. Do you think it was just “a bad year” or did the Suns’ opponents just figure out how to plan the game against him and what are your expectations from him this season?

Guar Guar: I think a big part of it was due to injuries. However it is also possible that it is a regression of the mean and its mean before arriving in Phoenix. I don’t expect Payne to be here until the start of the season.

OldEase: I’m not sure what to make of last year’s Cam Payne. The recency bias from the playoffs seems to have all but forgotten the stretch where CP3 went down from March 3 to March 24 where Cam Payne played 27 minutes and averaged 14.1/4.9/9.5 (P/R/A). ) played. It stacks up very well against CP3’s 14.7/4.4/10.8 (at 33 minutes of play) for the year. What I really thought about coming out of that stretch was that Cam Payne had figured out how to best help the sun and that might be a reasonable long-term fit. However, after CP3 came back it never seemed as though he was back to play the fast “change of pace” style required by his backup role.

I also find that Cam P struggles against bigger teams that are able to stop the paint (like New Orleans) as well as tall teams that stick to tight 3-point shooters (Dallas). To be effective he must be able to take a half step to take his shot on the rim, or open to exit his slow and awkward 3-point shot. I look forward to more this year because Cam P can be great some nights and other nights it turns into bad matchups for him.

Rock 30: The thing is that this season his numbers are more in line with his career. I think his scoop shot was a big part of his success on the lay-up rim. And now that the teams have the film it’s easy to defend. And I think it’s possible that 3 point shooting (44% in 20-21) was just a one-year deviation. The man was dropped from the league and resumed his game to become a rotational player on the final team. So maybe he can do it again. But I don’t expect much from that. And I will not make the roster expecting anything from them.

Jim C: I have lost faith in Cameron Payne.

I am sad to say that because I really liked what he brought to the team last season. Last season I didn’t think the backup point guard was an area to be addressed. This season I do.

It wasn’t just a bad regular season. He was completely left behind in the playoffs. All the advanced stats and eye tests tell you that he was easily the worst playoff performer on the team… which is impressive given Jay Crowder’s performance in the first round. He was 5-30 from the three point range. He could not defend. He couldn’t even stand on the court.

He had a huge negative impact on the team. The Suns were basically playing 4 vs 6 whenever he was there. I really felt bad for him.

I am really worried about how this will go.

bar: I think a lot of Cam’s problems last season must have been mental. When things start going wrong, it can mess with your confidence and make things worse. But then we may also have seen who Cam really is last season. He played very well in the bubble and then played very well in 2020-21, but it was really a stretch of just 68 games – less than a full season – where his stats were well above his career average. This year – if he is still with the Sun when the season begins – will probably tell us which one it really was.

If it was confidence, hopefully he’ll do enough work this summer to get it back. If last season was just who he really is, the Suns could be in trouble if they plan on him being CP3’s primary backup. I’m hoping he will return but his NBA career history doesn’t give me a lot of reasons to expect it.

Q3 – As it stands now, the Bismac Biombo will most likely be Sans’ primary backup center. In your opinion, will the biz be an upgrade, a downgrade or just a side step in comparison to McGee’s performance off the bench last season?

Guar Guar: I think it’s a side move that has biz instead of javal. McGee offers a more offensive but biz is more versatile in terms of defense. There shouldn’t be a huge impact on our season going from Javanese to biz. I really liked the Byombo last year because of their mobility.

OldEase: It really depends on how Monty uses him. Biz is solid on defense and brings similar energy, but isn’t as flashy with blocks as Javle. When he’s playing with CP3, he’s also a step down from Javanese on the screen and role game, although that’s substantial and, as has been said several times, CP3 can make any big look good in PnR. Is. While he plays mostly with a backup lineup, I don’t think he takes much offense and has a little gravity to free the others.

Personally, I’d like most of Biz’s minutes to be played with Book and CP3 to maximize his effectiveness on offense (making him a rim runner) and play more minutes to DA with a backup unit, where he’s on the offensive. Can be focused. If this goes to plan, it becomes impossible to compare Javale’s role with that of biz and I think Sun is better in the long run (due to increased use of DA during those minutes). If Sun does exactly what they’ve done over the years and just plug the biz into Javale’s minutes, I see a (very small/minimal) step backwards.

Rock 30: The Bismac is not as big or energetic as the JaVale. It’s not going to have the effect that Javale had on his best nights. That said, JaVale had games where it was terrible. I think byombo is a more stable contributor. Overall their net contribution will not be that much. But I think he would be a more consistent positive contributor and a very good backup c.

Jim C: In the limited playoff minutes one could argue McGee was one of the Sons’ most accomplished performers.

In the playoffs he led the team in PER, TS%, TRB%, BLK%, WS/48 and DBPM. If you don’t know better you would think that was the starting center.

During the regular season they finished first in PER, second in TS%, first in TRB%, first in BLK% and third in WS/48. McGee averaged more rebounds and blocks per 36 minutes than Ayton… and only averaged .1 point less… McGee was an excellent backup. It was fun to watch him too. I like the street Oops. They are really clean.

Beombo might be able to make a solid contribution defensively, but I don’t think he brings to the table everything that McGee did offensively. One thing to note is that Byombo is only 29, while McGee is 34… so if the Sons had retained McGee they shouldn’t have expected the same contribution. I think it will be a downgrade, but hopefully it won’t be too big.

bar: I think it’s mostly just a lateral move. If you look at his career stats, McGee has the offensive edge in points production and is a slightly better shot blocker but Bizz is a slightly better rebounder and a little more mobile on defense. Biz is about 5 years younger than JaVale, although it’s just a small plus in the backup you don’t expect to play extended minutes. The main difference though will be on the offense. Although the JaVale wasn’t a great shooter outside of the paint, the biz is worse when shooting from more than 3 feet away from the basket.

As always, many thanks to our Fantable members for all their extra effort this week!

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Last week’s polling results

Last week’s vote wasHow do you expect the 37-year-old CP3 to play this season?,

03.9% – Better than last season.

52.8% – the same as last season.

40.8% – Worse than last season.

02.5% – Much worse than last season.

A total of 515 votes were cast.

This week’s vote is…


Cameron Payne…

  • 38%

    Last season was just a bad year and it deserves better than their figures.

    (84 votes)

  • 61%

    Back to my normal self after over-achieving a year ago.

    (134 votes)

total 218 votes

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